At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. The same exact way Presence is the Supreme Being of the DC Multiverse. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. One Universe of a difference. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. Morals are on for Shuma. Followers. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. Followers. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. Thanos w IG and heart of the universePre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. The Beyonder has been retconned. Lucifer is a different beast. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. Learn about his origin, power, and feats in this article. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. let's wait and see his actual feats. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. the_doctor. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. 2. Only if the Beyonder is in his realm, but that becomes a major stomp based on whats said here. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. No prep and no knowledge. 17 Ginriu. I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. Text-only Version:. Still Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. 8 years ago. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Team 2 = Fusion mode. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. ". #28 ovy7. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used(yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1 Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal 4 years ago #2. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. (616)Spider-Man with the powers of the beyonder vs these verses. Battles. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Round 5: All-Mighty vs The entire Marvel verse. . He. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created. @rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. The Soruce(DC) 5. . GEB=Anti Pressence. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. lmao Also classic Marvel supporters. . Beyonder S T O M P S. Problem is pre retcon Beyonder is just. COIE Anti Monitor. synnar the. User Lists: 20 Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. The entire Watcher. As I said I'm not intimately familiar with pre retcon beyonder or even marvel comics overall. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. You do realize Pre-Retcon Beyonder is like, the second or third most powerful comic book character ever, while Anti-Monitor wouldn't even be in the Top 10. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has more statements of powers than the new ones. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. While pre retcon beyonder almost gets argued for a lose against toaa after a hard fought battle! So i think pre retcon beyonder = the presence. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . 5 years ago. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's. So there are 2 feats for HoTU that need to get debunked. Follow 1963. Doomslayer can beat 69420 trillion Master Chiefs and has literally indestructible armor he stomps. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. From Lucifer #37. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel :. So ultimately I don't see beyonder and molecule man taking out this Eldritch incarnation. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. God Emperor Doom has no feats that matter at this level, Pre-retcon Beyonder turns him into a toilet. I will need to have cited evidence for. But it wont be easy by no means. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. Jim Shooter who was the editor at Marvel at the time said so and the Beyonder himself said so. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. Pre Retcon Beyonder VS Azathoth 179 results 1 2 3 4 #1 Edited By deactivated-5fb6c77c8d900 I see alot of extrenely OP character being pitted against. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. VS. Wiki Points. He has way better feats, unless you can provide me a showing for Reinhard superior to being beyond comprehension of Pre-Retcon MM, as well as being above all of Marvel. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. Beyonder is an Infinitely Geometrically Dimensional Multiverse that is more powerful than a Geometrically Dimensional Multiverse. Living tribunal. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Read my post? I even tried to say that Pennywise scaling is vague, since only the void is beyond infinite-dimensional physics, and not him himself. But i think they have more "battle feats" (killed LT, killed millions/billions/or much more than that, of celestials (since they killed all of then from all multiverse). But it doesn't end there. thtadthtshldntb Anti nBSG Troll. So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. But Pre-Retcon Beyonder was around during 1985 during secret wars; making this databook not applicable to the Beyonder on the post. 1. 7 K. R4 - Pre Retcon Beyonder takes on the 5 and the Defenders members at the same time. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was also omnipotent "And another "slight" parameter. 1. 1. Forum Posts. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he was retconned into a more limited character with varied origins. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. Forum Posts. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. Bait? 1 year ago. But it turns out. reality equals his thoughts. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. 3 years ago. Aka via ap advantage Oblivion alone has Infinite Spatial Dimensions and is described as a realm which contains all Change and Variation within it. Hence why people differentiate the. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. Morals off. But Lucifer should win this quite handily. Beyonder Pré-Retcon foi uma das Entidades mais poderosas da #Marvel, ficando até mesmo acima do Tribunal Vivo, ele é bem conhecido por ter criado a Saga Guer. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s. ". #2. #13 AgentofChaos1. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. 7 years ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Dr Doom. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Thought Robot without any effort. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. panos2000000 • 1 yr. Dr Manhattan has the power to control matter as well as subatomic perception and control. 8. Pre-retcon beyonder can't do anything to sun wukong. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Adviser (Vs)Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. Sign in to edit View history Talk (0) List of all notable quotes by or about Beyonder (Earth-616). Pre-Retcon Beyonder: Most powerful version of Beyonder, stronger then the Living Tribunal but weaker then T. The closest you get I think is Guenpool and she just has basic fourth wall. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just wishes Spectre to be gone and that's it. But it wont be easy by no means. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. 4 years ago. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has no physical form, no spiritual form, and or astral form but can take on these forms when he chooses and Beyonder was once Infinite Dimensional and even still his physical form. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. BEYONDERSIn fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Mismatch. Beyonder made everything happen,every occurrence, positive or negative, was of Beyonder's own making Beyonder can rewriter everything,Even rewriter "Pre-recton Beyonder" into "SW3" HOTU never have. Kuuko273. No prep. icecream1991. Beyonder was a formless mindless white space above the Multiverse, made purely. Yeah Mxy is tough as shit, and probably wont go down. The events of. The Beyonder doesn’t know what the abstracts will say. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. The omnipotent Beyonder is on a destructive rampage and has decided to destroy the entire Marvel omniverse. Pre-retcon molecule man is the most powerful version of recce. May 26, 2023. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. R2 - 5 members of the Beyonders race (incursion) face the 5 members of the Omega Council. 5 years ago. Make an false image of him, From behind the beyonder. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. Protege and Pre-Retcon Beyonder 49%. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". He toke on beyonder and was stated to be LT's superior MM did say that he had become a component of great power, but not quite up. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 3. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. No prep and no knowledge. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Wiki Points. I never understood why people tried to mesh post-retcon feats with the pre-retcon continuity, what was written after the retcon was never canon to the Beyonder arc. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. 2. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. Because there is no "pre-retcon" Beyonder in Marvel canon -- that is nothing more than a made-up battleboard term. #2 blackspidey2099. He is. 4 years ago. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. Beyonder (Earth-616)/Quotes Category page. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Follow 23035. This topic is locked from further discussion. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. Pre retcon Beyonder & MM > Lucifer Morningstar > The Endless. Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion. canon) Beyonder, because again: "pre-retcon. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. 4 years ago. 0. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Fight takes place in current DC universe. #2 Edited By juiceboks Moderator. In the pocket dimension, classic doctor strange would do exactly what he did. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. Who is a better god like figure?Both Beyonders wins. The recent additions of the Heart of the Universe as an accepted Canon Thing, and the Pre-Retcon Beyonder's revisions were the first results of such result. Locked post. Thanks!!!!!In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. You need to be logged in to post comments. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. Beyonder was everything inside the Multi-verse. . Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes. Children can be extremely capricious, and a being as powerful as the Beyonder with that attitude can be very dangerous. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. Reviews: 0. Round 2: All-Mighty vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The same way how Marvel was back then a multiverse. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. #2. The beyonder is a person from another plane of existence called the beyond which is larger than the marvel multiverse. 5 years ago. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Darkest Knight Round 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. 1. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Mxy is done. Both are Omnipotent Supreme Beings but PRB was God to something larger than. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. pre retcon molecule man vs. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. post retcon toaa: his power can only work on a multiverse that is stable. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. "No other force or power in existence could. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. Living Tribunal is beyond Eternity, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder was more powerful than LT. The Beyonder didn’t know. #28 ovy7. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. This is a spite thread then . Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. " Uhhh, yes it does. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. you speak nonsense earth boy. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. 9 years ago. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. I know what the title of the series is and I know the beyonder is extremely powerful but so is the HOTU. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. #4. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. BEYONDERS In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (as in, during Secret Wars II) was more powerful than the in-universe hand of the author. 3. Cosmic armor supes needs a downgrade soon. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. He's was designed by Jim Shooter to be a catch-all explanation for the existence of all the other fiction. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. 2. Lucifer is way above pre Retcon BeyonderPRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. . Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Beyonder Wallpapers. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. Apparently, Beyonder doesn’t know Molecule Man is going to attack him. . #36. Pre Retcon Beyonder. The power possessed by the Beyonders seems to dwarf all other beings in existence, with the exception of the One-Above-All, as the Beyonders were able to defeat and subsequently destroy every incarnation of every cosmic being that ruled over existence within a matter of months. Round 1: CAS vs. The events of Secret Wars I and II were not removed from canon, what changed was the Beyonder's relationship with the other cosmic entities. 3. "Pre-retcon" just means. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him.